Holy crap! From the mouth of gaben himself.

It’s going to be free-to-play — it’ll have some twists, but that’s the easiest way for people to think about it.

http://www.sevendaycooldown.com/site/episode001/

Hope there are some major limitations in place to measure and restrict leavers and categories games into skill levels.

called it months ago

Im surprised your mates didnt get beta keys to give to friends. Hopefully the beta keeps getting bigger with more invites and aussie servers.

Anyone who wants a DOTA 2 invite and is _ACTUALLY GOING TO PLAY IT OFTEN_

PM me your steam username or account name or whatever the hell I need to type into the 'send gift recipient' thing.

If your only going to 'take a peek' please don't send me a PM - there are others out there that will get more use out of it - wait until it goes full free-to-play.

PS. Is there an Ausgamers steam account I can gift the invites have to so they can be handed out in a fair way (random for long term members or whatever) ?

last edited by gamer at 09:47:52 02/May/12

Played with a somebody who called mid as NS then fed like fuck. We eventually figured out he was brazilian and knew no english then rage quit. FML.

That's like 80% of HON and DOTA2 games these days. The lack of harsh punishments for players that leave/disconnect is causing these games to be the biggest fucking waste of time known to man.

I find the quiter rate to be much lower then HoN, the community is much, much better then HoN as well.

I think the process that Dota2 does with getting people searching for games to have to accept the found game weeds out a lot of less-then-enthusiastic people.

As annoying as it is to have to wait for 3 attempts to get 10/10 players, I'd much rather that then get games where someone is AFK or quit within the first 5 mins of the game.

Also for Dota2, someone who abandons games is quickly put on a 'low priority' list that pretty much means they need to search for 30+mins to get in a game, probably with other quiters haha

An interesting thing happened to me, I had a long string of wins and good games bringing me up to 50/50 win/loss. However ever since reaching it the win/loss has been hovering around that level, perhaps the match making does take into account some sort of stats work?

Also for Dota2, someone who abandons games is quickly put on a 'low priority' list that pretty much means they need to search for 30+mins to get in a game, probably with other quiters haha

It doesn't take that long.

We had a leaver in our group, all it changed average search from 3:30 to ~5mins for instance. Sometimes it went almost double the average search time.

It's not really harsh enough.

last edited by step at 10:34:51 02/May/12

10% for hon leaver protection... and its OFF by default and the amount of people that turn it on when making games is VERY small (maybe 1 in 20 games?)

10% is WAY to high as well.

The other problem with hon leaver is that disconnectors that disconnect and reconnect 5+ times a game are not flagged as a leaver for that game. So everyone is running around at lvl 20 and you have this fuckwit on capped net or wireless or whatever that is lvl 4... CMON GIMME A BREAK HON

The other issue is that people votekicked dont get leaver, they get kicked.

The other issue is people who disconnect for the whole game but reconnect for the end dont get leaver.

The other issue is people who leave during the hero selection screen dont get leaver.

FUCKING HELL HOW BAD IS YOUR LEAVER SYSTEM WHEN THIS CRAP IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN?

If you leave or disconnect for any reason for any amount of time you should get a leave stat. ALL games should be leaver protection on by default (and in my opinion unable to be turned off)

lol, ive never been a hardcore HON player so it didnt matter so much to me where as DOTA i find is a more hardcore version of HON so it does matter.

I too hate those that keep DCing then rejoining but thats been me lately (goddam telstra) but i doubt they would implement that as too many people have issues that cause connection problems so you might find 50% of people have occasional connection problems.

I don't understand how HON players can play DOTA2. It's like a Quake player quitting Quake and playing CS instead. Feels like gumby slow shit compared to HON, and the netcode is feels way worse too (Identical pings, but you barely notice it in HON, yet it _feels_ extremely laggy in DOTA2).

Such a shame.

It's like a Quake player quitting Quake and playing CS instead.

why quit quake when you can play both? i did.

Yeah i prefer HON over DOTA 2. I am not very good at both these games, but i just find with DOTA sometime i cant tell if ive used any my ablilties or not and in big battles i dont even know whats going on lol. Find in HON the hereos are bigger which is easier for me :)

Dota 2 is a steaming pile of poo compared to HoN.

Haha I remember when you started playing Q3 Pharcyde! So awesome.

I haven't tried a DotA game since DotA except LoL and it was pretty good but my machine is too fast to run it... my frames max out and overheat my machine and it crashes. Maybe that's because it is six years old though.

LoL is getting a huge eSports following, look out. I will definitely have to try DotA 2 but I don't want my machine to lag and get "noob" "gtfo" "lol".

One day.

CM? Is that easy mode or something? Asif.

Also for Dota2, if you haven't enabled right-click denies you are failing. Heaps better then pushing 'a' then clicking on the creep.

I also dislike lane partners that just autoattack creeps and screw up the last hitting so that creeps keep getting the last hit. You tell them not to auto-attack and why and they ignore you. Then get angry because the team isn't helping them when they keep dieing during to being over extended.

Also for Dota2, if you haven't enabled right-click denies you are failing. Heaps better then pushing 'a' then clicking on the creep.

Didnt realise thats an option, was missing that from HON.

I also dislike lane partners that just autoattack creeps and screw up the last hitting so that creeps keep getting the last hit. You tell them not to auto-attack and why and they ignore you. Then get angry because the team isn't helping them when they keep dieing during to being over extended.

Yeah, my pet hate. I try to play with a mate who supports me while i last hit. We had a good combo of skeleton king + leshrac and could lvl 1 kill solo heroes in lane with our dual stun combo.

Wards win games.


You need to enable Right-click denies through console. dota_allow_right_click_deny 1 or something like that. Silly that it isn't an option in settings, after the recent UI update it might be there, haven't looked. In fact, silly it isn't on by default :/

DOTA is more newb friendly in that the community is just plain nicer. HoN community is a massive festering pile of putrid entrails.

Glynd, you are partially correct. Leaving the last hit for the carry is great. Try not to hurt enemy creeps at full health, let them hurt yours first.

In general as support you are better off just focusing your last hit on denying your creeps to the enemy, leaving the last hits of enemy creeps to your carry. If you both perform that well, you will win your lane by a good margin.
What you don't want to do is damage their creeps to the point where you are always fighting at or near their tower. The closer to your tower you are, the safer you are, which is essential early game.

The only reason to push creeps early is because you are actively going for an early tower push. Generally that is done when the other team is heavy on late-game heroes and you need to win the game by 30-45mins before they can shine.



last edited by Tollaz0r! at 14:08:53 02/May/12

cheers for that toll. i always make sure i pick up the donkey + upgrade if someone hasn't already got to it before me.

once i get a hold of the mechanics and positioning i'll prob start trying out more initiators and what not.

To set console mode

1) In steam, right cilck on "Dota 2" and click on properties

2) Click on Set Launcher Options and type in: -console

3) Press OK and enter the game, to remove the console from view press the ` key.

dota_force_right_click_attack 0 to disable.
dota_force_right_click_attack 1 to enable.

This i also think it needs:
dota_disable_range_finder 0 - by default you only see the range of spells when you hover your mouse on the spell icon. With this set to 0 it will show you the range when you actually click to use the spell on someone. Default = 1.

thanks for that console tips guys, quite handy - i forgot that it's a source game.

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Console_Command_List

for anyone else who is interested


dota_force_right_click_attack #

Disabled is 0(default), Enabled is 1. Denying creeps no longer requires you to force attack, it now only requires a right click.
dota_minimap_hero_size ###
Default is 600. Sets the size of heroes on the minimap. Getting annoyed because they are too big? Set it to something else.
dota_disable_range_finder #
Enabled is 1(default), Disabled is 0. When this is enabled, it will show the range of your abilities as if you were hovering over the skill, but instead when you are preparing to cast it. For blinking abilities, it draws a line from your hero to the mouse (this line does not stop, still handy for 100% accuracy).
dota_use_player_color #
Enabled is 1(default), Disabled is 0. By disabling this, players will use their team color instead. A lot of players have been asking for this.
dota_health_per_vertical_marker ###
Default is 200. This will tell the game where you want those black tallies in a health bar, useful for players who would prefer them at different intervals.
tv_nochat #
Default is 0, Enabled is 1. This turns off Spectator chat.
con_enable #
Default is 0, Enabled is 1. Makes it so when you close the console, you can still open it up without restarting by hitting your ` (grave/tilde) key again.
chat_join ____
Type in whatever chat channel you want to join/create.
dota_camera_lock #
Default is 0, Enabled is 1. This will make your camera follow around your hero.

triple edit - this one looks pretty cool

dota_killcam_history_time 20
dota_killcam_show 0