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Next Generation Consoles
Reinjarl
1 posts
Hi All,

I'm here to start the conversation of the next generation console wars!

With the announcement of the next gens on the horizon, speculation as to who will triumph and who will fall, looms heavily over the heads of these major corporations.

This conversation isn't just aimed at Xbox and Playsation (PS4? Orbis? To be confirmed), it can also include the Wii U, Steambox, Ouya and the gamestick.

My speculation: If Sony release before Xbox at a price range of $500AU to $600AU they will become the dominate console, enticing people with their large exclusive game list. Xbox will fumble putting heaps of money into kinect instead investing money into exclusive games.Wii U will coast along making money of sonic and mario. Steambox will make a good amount of sales as many pc fans will follow with loyalty. Ouya and Gamestick will be a novelty that will just get slapped silly if priced to high.
09:11pm 26/01/13 Permalink
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09:11pm 26/01/13 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
6763 posts
I predict PS4 will beat a ninja, and the next Xbox will beat a dragon.

P.S. Ouya is $99, GameStick is $79.
09:30pm 26/01/13 Permalink
trog
AGN Admin
Brisbane, Queensland
36690 posts
Xbox will win if they can factor in PC. Otherwise it will be the usual boring mess.
09:42pm 26/01/13 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
4881 posts
Steambox will make a good amount of sales as many pc fans will follow with loyalty.
Follow where? Why would someone with a current gen pc even bother with a steambox.
10:21pm 26/01/13 Permalink
eXemplar
Brisbane, Queensland
2825 posts
I predict more games will devolve to the lowest common denominator of gameplay, there will be an insane amount of cutscenes and publishers will become disenfranchised with f2p models because they implement it as a strategy to milk consumers.
10:26pm 26/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
3 posts
Follow where? Why would someone with a current gen pc even bother with a steambox.


I'm assuming alot of people with a decent amount of steam games would want to buy this.

Also if it is priced decently it would have a 'how much could it hurt to have it' attitude with many

Edit:
If they bring it out with the new half life they could do alot of damage.
11:52pm 26/01/13 Permalink
Totenkopf
Melbourne, Victoria
577 posts
They both will suck big time so based on that logic ill buy them both
11:54pm 26/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21212 posts
Whoever has the most attractive lineup on launch will "win" I suppose.

Follow where? Why would someone with a current gen pc even bother with a steambox.

If it allowed a mouse + keyboard, who wouldn't buy one to have a quick bash of their favourite FPS? You should be asking why people with decent PC's are buying Wii's.
12:04am 27/01/13 Permalink
reload!
Brisbane, Queensland
7125 posts
because wii is completely different?
12:31am 27/01/13 Permalink
Bah
Brisbane, Queensland
4882 posts
You should be asking why people with decent PC's are buying Wii's.
wii at least has different games.
If it allowed a mouse + keyboard, who wouldn't buy one to have a quick bash of their favourite FPS?
You mean the games they could currently play on their pc?
I'm assuming alot of people with a decent amount of steam games would want to buy this.
You mean the games they are currently playing just fine on their pc now?
Also if it is priced decently it would have a 'how much could it hurt to have it' attitude with many
Not really a solid business model that.
I dont see the steam box attracting current pc users, maybe it will get console players who have s*** pc's and want to play pc games.
If they bring it out with the new half life they could do alot of damage.
There's zero chance they wouldn't bring that out on pc.
02:25am 27/01/13 Permalink
Whoop
Brisbane, Queensland
21213 posts
You mean the games they could currently play on their pc?

No, I mean the games they could sit down with the family and play in front of the TV in the lounge, instead of in their mom's basement, alone on the PC.
wii at least has different games.

50 shades of mario doesn't count as different.
02:54am 27/01/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20580 posts
I think Microsoft will come out on top just because Sony seems to have dropped the ball these days. They still have a few good exclusive titles trickling out that are worth playing, but their utter failure to launch the Vita doesn't give me much hope for them successfully launching a PS3 followup.
03:11am 27/01/13 Permalink
Zapo
Brisbane, Queensland
2863 posts
To be honest I am less interested in consoles these days. PCs provide me with the games I want to play, and typically have the vast majority of console releases too.

No doubt there will be some exclusive releases which I will likely get the consoles for, but to be honest I don't' care either way. People who are interested in the 'console wars' usually do so only because they can only afford to buy 1 console. The easiest solution is to be all of them assuming there's games you want on every console.
07:48am 27/01/13 Permalink
Resonate
Brisbane, Queensland
625 posts
The vita launch was pretty much like the ps3 launch. I remember for the first 2 years the ps3 copped flack for having "no games" when compared to the 360 which had gears 1 and halo 3. There were so many gloom and doom stories that the ps3 is dead as it had no AAA games coming out and lackluster sales especially after the first 2 holiday seasons in the u.s.

I bought a ps3 at launch and i almost believed the media hype at the time.
08:31am 27/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
4 posts
I don't see the steam box attracting current pc users,maybe It will get current console players who have s*** pc's and to play pc games.


This is me, especially with games like path of exile and sim city


50 shades of mario doesn't count as different.


Haha, does this forum have a rep button? Cause I need to show my appreciation for this line!
09:39am 27/01/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20581 posts
The vita launch was pretty much like the ps3 launch. I remember for the first 2 years the ps3 copped flack for having "no games"


So they've made the same mistake twice then, that gives even less hope that they're going to launch a PS4 successfully.

Sony may have dominated in the PS2 days, but they've definitely come off second best in this current console generation (or third best I guess if you include the Wii). And I'm not talking quality of games or exclusives or my personal feelings one way or the other (I own both, like Zapo said, theres games on both I want to play), but just purely when it comes to numbers. More copies of cross-platform titles are generally sold on 360 than PS3 and more 360's are generally sold than PS3s. Oh yeah, and Sony is circling the drain and going broke, which to be fair isn't entirely the fault of their entertainment division, but still, its not really a strong position to be in.
04:02pm 27/01/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22153 posts
Unless the next gen runs every game at 1080p and 60fps for at least the first couple of years I won't be interested. I upgraded recently to a PC that runs every game at 60fps full detail and I can never go back now.
04:10pm 27/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16556 posts
More copies of cross-platform titles are generally sold on 360 than PS3 and more 360's are generally sold than PS3s.


wrong. ps3 has outsold 360 worldwide since end of last year. the wii has outsold both.
04:12pm 27/01/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35048 posts
yay for the wii!
04:43pm 27/01/13 Permalink
Linker
Brisbane, Queensland
1736 posts
ravn0s, those numbers were shipped I'm pretty sure.
05:25pm 27/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16559 posts
these are the sales figures.

Worldwide sales figures

Overall, the Wii would outsell its competitors worldwide. However, Wii sales considerably fell in 2012. To this day, the PS3 and xbox 360 have been catching up. Nevertheless, the Wii has still outsold its rivals by about 30 million units.

Wii – 97.18 million as of 30 September 2012[8]
PlayStation 3 – 70.2 million as of 30 September 2012[53][54]
Xbox 360 – 70.0 million as of 30 September 2012[55]
05:32pm 27/01/13 Permalink
Skitza
Brisbane, Queensland
9859 posts
People still buy consoles?
05:32pm 27/01/13 Permalink
copuis
Brisbane, Queensland
3692 posts
ri got an xbox like a month ago,

it has forza 4, and it is alot lighter than the pc
05:34pm 27/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
5 posts
Oh yeah, and Sony is circling the drain and going broke, which to be fair isn't entirely the fault of their entertainment division, but still, its not really a strong position to be in.

Hopefully they see this as their saviour and pump most of their money into it.

They shouldn't be judged on the launch of the Vita, if anything it should highlight the fact they were concentrating on the next gen. They might have released the Vita first so when the PS4 comes out they will be like, look it can sync with your Vita and all games on your ps4 can be played with cross over saves on the Vita.

Unless the next gen runs every game at 1080p and 60fps for at least the first couple of years I won't be interested. I upgraded recently to a PC that runs every game at 60fps full detail and I can never go back now.


It doesn't bother me that much, and it won't bother alot of other people.
06:14pm 27/01/13 Permalink
fpot
Gold Coast, Queensland
22154 posts
Oh well good for them. Enjoy your 720p and 30fps.
06:16pm 27/01/13 Permalink
IVY_MiKe
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1392 posts
I do wonder how many 'extra' 360's sold as a result of peeps replacing RROD'd fatties.
(sure, every console will have it's horrid figures from 'console deaths' but I genuinely wonder how many)
06:54pm 27/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16562 posts
i remember reading that sony wants the ps4 to be able to put out 4k at i think 60fps.
07:36pm 27/01/13 Permalink
Mantorok
Brisbane, Queensland
6765 posts
i remember reading that sony wants the ps4 to be able to put out 4k at i think 60fps.
Yeah, but that doesn't mean games will do that. Developer X might make a game that runs at 60fps, but there's always going to be developer Y who will make their game prettier but run at 30fps. Most big franchises will follow developer Y's example, because they don't want to be the one making the game with bad graphics.
08:25pm 27/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
6 posts
Yeah 4k is gonna be a while to take in.

If they push their own studios to do it they will speed up the progress. I fear they will sacrifice graphics over gameplay and storyline.
09:49am 28/01/13 Permalink
paveway
Brisbane, Queensland
17755 posts
Heaven forbid should they do that for the purposes of gaming
10:49am 28/01/13 Permalink
Spook
Brisbane, Queensland
35057 posts
I fear they will sacrifice graphics over gameplay and storyline.


is that even a thing!? of course if a game is super shiny, its already way moar fun than a game with much less polgyons.
10:53am 28/01/13 Permalink
Karmadelik
Brisbane, Queensland
210 posts
Wish consoles were customizable, open case, swap parts, boosted performance. Until that day...
PC
01:50pm 28/01/13 Permalink
ravn0s
Brisbane, Queensland
16566 posts
Wish consoles were customizable, open case, swap parts, boosted performance. Until that day...


apparently the steam box is going to be modular.
01:53pm 28/01/13 Permalink
Karmadelik
Brisbane, Queensland
211 posts
apparently the steam box is going to be modular.


Awesome! Might need to research it a bit more, but does it link to your PC Steam account or something?
That would explain why steam have gone all console friendly lately.
02:00pm 28/01/13 Permalink
Khel
Brisbane, Queensland
20584 posts
I can't see games being output at 4k, I mean you'd need a pretty beefy PC to play today's games in that resolution, and looking at the leaked specs, it just doesn't have the grunt to do it. The system might be capable of outputting at 4k but I'd imagine it'll be more for media than games.
02:27pm 28/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
7 posts
is that even a thing!? of course if a game is super shiny, its already way moar fun than a game with much less polgyons.

A lot of people could disagree with this point, for example the walking dead has simple comic graphics yet the game storyline is absolutely amazing.

Also the spread of resources means if one department of the game is getting money then another might be losing out on money. Simply said " let's invest money in 4k graphics for our games, Don't worry we don't need to have an engaging storyline, 3 writers will do quite fine compared to 4"
03:14pm 28/01/13 Permalink
Crakaveli
USA
6244 posts
Semi thread hijack.

I want to buy a PS3 to catch up on those exclusives that i've missed out on. (uncharted, heavy rain etc.)

Anyone seen any good deals lately? I was just looking at the 12GB model because the way I understand it I can just throw a laptop hard drive into them right?
03:43pm 28/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
8 posts
You live in America? Go get the white ps3 that was recently released there!!

I would if I was thinking about buying a playstation, plus you get a whole year of playstation plus. I'm pretty sure you can get so many free games with the plus
05:20pm 28/01/13 Permalink
WirlWind
Central Coast, New South Wales
509 posts
Semi thread hijack.

I want to buy a PS3 to catch up on those exclusives that i've missed out on. (uncharted, heavy rain etc.)

Anyone seen any good deals lately? I was just looking at the 12GB model because the way I understand it I can just throw a laptop hard drive into them right?


I picked up a 160gb model for $120 from a hock-shop (pawn-broker) with 1 controller and a year's warranty.

They're cheap as chips, mate.
06:00pm 28/01/13 Permalink
Reinjarl
11 posts
Feb 20th 6pm est

Which I think is 10 am feb 21st sydney aus

Yes I know I'm getting excited just for an announcement!

But it marks the release of information, to allow our Brains to fester in what the future may hold only to be dissapointed.

PLAYSTATION!
12:22pm 01/02/13 Permalink
Zanix357
Sunshine Coast, Queensland
10 posts
I have a X-box 360, a PS3 and a Wii and am tossing up whether or not to get a WiiU but what I would like to see is Sega and Atari getting back into making consoles. I know it won't happen probably but it would be great to see more than 4 consoles to choose from.

Nintendo
Sony
Microsoft
(Sega)
(Atari)
(Apple)
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