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64mb better then 128?
pefoodonly
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
140 posts
Hey everyone.

I was running a radeon 9000pro 64mb. I had a friend who was upgrading his video card so i scored his replaced 9000pro II 128mb. (same brand)

I ran some beanch marnksin ut2003 with my old card. Then swaped cards (deleteled all the old softwear, installed new card, unstalled latest drivers) the beanchmarked again. here is what happened.

64mb card:

under clock (artifacts)
11.728424 / 46.094494 / 159.620041 fps
Score = 46.152962

normal clock 15.617153 / 52.082180 / 159.765305 fps
Score = 52.151428

oc'd 8.403242 / 57.325413 / 173.260468 fps rand[12139]
Score = 57.422844

really oc'd (artifacts)
11.277717 / 59.306988 / 187.166840 fps rand[12139]
Score = 59.405712

speeds of 64mb card: core 275mhz memory 550mhz





speeds of 128mb card: core 275mhz memory 500mhz


new card, no OC
19.683710 / 44.787083 / 151.381226 fps rand[12139]
Score = 44.845081

new card oc'd to old card speed
15.212376 / 47.021442 / 253.746094 fps rand[12139]
Score = 47.095764

new card, max oc: (Artifacts)
10.936104 / 51.244102 / 163.098740 fps rand[12139]
Score = 51.332920



yeh, so if anyone can explain to me why a 128mb car is worse then a 64mb one, or why oc appears have no consistant effect on FPS it would be cool
12:01pm 08/05/04 Permalink
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Omni
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
2140 posts
different brands of ram?

the 128mb might have higher latency setup in the bios?

maybe the layout of the radeon 9000 PCB isn't optimized for 128mb?
01:44pm 08/05/04 Permalink
Maxious
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
130 posts
unreal tournament 2k3/4 trys to automatically scale the graphics within your initial video options...

so if you have only 64 meg of VRAM it uses the appropriate textures for that class of card. 128meg it scales up to the next class so more complicated quality (theoretically, im not an expert on the workings of the unreal engine) its still with in your max/min fps but slightly lower due to the increased ammount of data being sent.

again this is probably why OC seems to have no effect - its automatically making the graphics slightly better

again, im not an expert - i could be just dreaming that such a feature exists - but i distictly remember tweaking this feature using a website guide and UT2004.ini
09:38pm 08/05/04 Permalink
chainsaw
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
917 posts
So...

Try a different benchmark if possible... or a couple of the benchmarking tools...
12:38am 09/05/04 Permalink
pefoodonly
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
141 posts
Yeh, i set all my details manually to maximum to avoid that problem. When i ran un after swaping hardwear it asked me if i wanted to auto config for the new hardwear, i said no.

This was just a little fiddle really. I'm some mad keen beanchmarker, i used ut2003 beacuse it's the only beanch mark utility i have.

I'm not here to sulk that i score 2.43 less 3D marks :p Just interested is all.
03:16pm 09/05/04 Permalink
Bananafish
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
245 posts
*than
*bench
*swapped
*deleted
*software
*uninstalled
*benchmarked
*card
*hardware

hurrah. pedantic and pointless notwithstanding, i just felt like i should point out some minor spelling errors :P. s'funny, cause pefoodonly was one of the people posting about grammar in that magical flame thread before, and then this little gem turns up.
05:01pm 09/05/04 Permalink
fatbastard
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1801 posts
i think you'll probably have a 'higher' lower fps with the 128mb card.

I think a majority of cards are faster with less ram, but then new games come out that need the ram and you'll start to notice.

Years ago when i got my Asus GF2MX everyone said it was shit cause it bench marked the same as a GF1 in most benchmarking utils at the time. A year later and i was still using the GF2MX meanwhile GF1s had nothing left in them, they just couldn't handle the newer stuff.

Personally i would stick with the 128mb card really, because if you are planning on keeping it, it will most likely handle the upcoming games a bit better.
05:42pm 09/05/04 Permalink
pefoodonly
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
142 posts
lol bananna. If you read the thread i'm sure that i say more then once that i'm hopeless at spelling. I couldn't spell my way out of a paper bag. I chiped in on the thread about grammer, but mainly about punctuation. I mean, the rules about puncatuation are fairly simple, but the langauge has millions of words in it, and i'm a stupid fucker :D

So, if i did bench-marks in Far Cry the 128mb car would be better. Fair enough.

On an aside, i moved my old card into my old pIII, and now it won't work at all. Is it possible that the APG solts would be incompatable?
06:13pm 09/05/04 Permalink
Omni
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
2141 posts
at least read what you type before posting it. and how can you live with such a slow videocard? i brought a 9600se for $100 at the fair just for my moviebox shuttle and thats like three times faster than a 9000
06:23pm 09/05/04 Permalink
Ecstasy
Australian Capital Territory
2737 posts
I'm still using my GF2MX400! o_O
07:51pm 09/05/04 Permalink
King Of Shibby!
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1764 posts
im still using a 9200 se =\
08:32pm 09/05/04 Permalink
Bananafish
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
246 posts
richard and william are both noobs!!
/hides gf2mx under coffee mug.

i want my 9700pro back :(
08:36pm 09/05/04 Permalink
pefoodonly
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
143 posts
i get my 100 FPS in cod, that's all i ask for.
09:17pm 09/05/04 Permalink
Heavy
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
237 posts
I've got a 64mb ti4200 and it outperformes a 128mb ti4200 in just about everything. The 64mb ram has a higher clock speed than the 128mb ram, and so far the extra ram hasn't really been necessary for anything. Have a look at the VGA charts on tomshardware.com for a comparison of all video cards from the last couple of years. The 64mb version is a fair bit higher on the charts...
04:26pm 10/05/04 Permalink
Omni
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
2142 posts
thats because the 4200 is too slow to make good use of the extra ram
12:15am 11/05/04 Permalink
fatbastard
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1802 posts
um, i dont think their exactly 'to slow'... the ram is just to slow.
08:32am 11/05/04 Permalink
Punker
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
1787 posts
Agree with FattyB on this one, ripped this from /.

After seeing the press releases from both Nvidia and ATI announcing their next generation video card offerings, it got me to thinking about what else could be done with that raw processing power. These new cards weigh in with transistor counts of 220 and 160 million (respectively) with the P4 EE core at a count of 29 million. What could my video card be doing for me while I am not playing the latest 3d games? A quick search brought me to some preliminary work done at the University of Washington with a GeForce4 TI 4600 pitted against a 1.5GHz P4. My Favorite excerpt from the paper: 'For a 1500x1500 matrix, the GPU outperforms the CPU by a factor of 3.2.'


Paper can be found here: http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/oskin/thompson-micro2002.pdf

last edited by Punker at 12:04:45 11/May/04
12:03pm 11/05/04 Permalink
Improvize
Germany
969 posts
Someone needs to develop a way of letting the OS share ALL hardware resources.

Some way of evenly distributing or prioritsing everything in order to utilize ALL available hardware resources.

Until such technology exists, upgrading to the latest and greatest video card is becoming more and more of a waste of money...
01:09pm 11/05/04 Permalink
Grug
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
129 posts
Alternatively, just create an interface to run 2 GPU's, and create a soft-mod for the instruction sets of a CPU to run them on a GPU (surely there is enough processing power to manage it and still be faster than current CPU's).

Anyway... it would be mad, but it isn't likely anytime soon.
09:33pm 11/05/04 Permalink
Bananafish
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
250 posts
hasnt someone already written an app which uses DX9 or something to run the gpu -as- an extra cpu? could have sworn i read something about this before...
09:41pm 11/05/04 Permalink
Grug
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
130 posts
Nice!! That would be sweet. Now, just to get multiple (fast) GPU's happening in a system... Bring on PCI-Express... ;-)
10:55pm 11/05/04 Permalink
pefoodonly
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory
144 posts
yeh, it's near impossible to think of something new these days. Their are probably a bunch of people on it allready.
10:15am 12/05/04 Permalink
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