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Australian Steam Price Comparison Preview
Post by trog @ 10:26am 15/04/11 | Comments
A preview of a system we're working on to track the differences in pricing between the Australian Steam store and international Steam stores.

This table is a preview of a new system that we're testing to automatically monitor the price differences between various games on Steam across the Australian, US and European stores.

It should be noted that Steam and Valve are not responsible for the pricing of these games. The pricing is set by the publisher (listed in the far right column, where we have that information available). The fault of the price differential does not lie with Valve; it lies with the publisher that has decided to use Steam's region-specific pricing to price-gouge Australians.

The pricing was listed here was obtained from the US, EU and AU Steam stores on 14th of April. The EUR/USD conversion rate was also taken on that day - the USD to AUD value is 0.9544 and the EUR to AUD value is 1.377.

The colour coding is:

- gold: more than $10 difference
- orange: more than $20 difference
- red: more than $30 difference

AusGamers does not approve of publishers' attempts to price-gouge and strongly recommends gamers investigate options to purchase overseas while our dollar is so strong - although we warn people to be aware of other regional restrictions on games before purchasing. Do your research!



Title Difference AU Store AU Store(USD) OS Store(AUD) OS Store(Local) Store Publisher
3D Ultra Minigolf Adventures3.1912.7213.339.539.99US StoreVivendi Games
Aces of the Galaxy3.1912.7213.339.539.99US Store
Aion: Assault on Balaurea1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Alien Soldier0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Alien Storm0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Aliens versus Predator Classic 20000.654.764.994.12€2.99EU Store
Aliens vs. Predator19.0938.1739.9919.0819.99US StoreSega
Aliens vs. Predator10.6438.1739.9927.53€19.99EU StoreSega
Alpha Protocol19.0947.7149.9928.6229.99US StoreSega
Alpha Protocol6.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU StoreSega
Altered Beast0.483.333.492.852.99US StoreSega
Armada 25260.9925.7626.9924.77€17.99EU Store
Battlefield: Bad Company 219.0938.1739.9919.0819.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Battlestations Pacific1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreEidos
Beyond Good and Evil2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreUbisoft
Bio-Hazard Battle0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
BioShock 228.6347.7149.9919.0819.99US Store2K Games
BioShock 220.1847.7149.9927.53€19.99EU Store2K Games
Blazing Angels 2: Secret Missions of WWII5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU StoreUbisoft
Bonanza Bros.0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Borderlands2.397.157.494.764.99US Store2K Games
Borderlands0.287.157.496.87€4.99EU Store2K Games
BRINK38.1885.8989.9947.7149.99US StoreBethesda Softworks
BRINK17.0585.8989.9968.84€49.99EU StoreBethesda Softworks
Bulletstorm9.5466.8069.9957.2559.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Bully: Scholarship Edition0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreRockstar
Cabela's Big Game Hunter Trophy Bucks5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare19.0947.7149.9928.6229.99US StoreActivision
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare13.3047.7149.9934.41€24.99EU StoreActivision
Call of Duty: Black Ops28.6385.8989.9957.2559.99US StoreActivision
Call of Duty: Black Ops3.2885.8989.9982.61€59.99EU StoreActivision
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 247.7285.8989.9938.1739.99US Store
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 230.8285.8989.9955.07€39.99EU Store
Call of Duty: World at War9.5438.1739.9928.6229.99US StoreActivision
City of Heroes: Architect Edition1.1919.0819.9917.89€12.99EU Store
Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Cold Fear2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreUbisoft
Columns0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Columns III0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Comix Zone0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Command Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Command Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight47.7266.8069.9919.0819.99US Store
Command Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight32.3966.8069.9934.41€24.99EU Store
Command Conquer: Red Alert 39.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US Store
Command Conquer: Red Alert 31.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Command Conquer: Red Alert 3 - Uprising5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts4.6814.3114.999.63€6.99EU StoreTHQ
Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Conflict: Denied Ops7.9828.6229.9920.64€14.99EU StoreEidos
Crack Down0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Crazy Taxi10.5019.0819.998.588.99US Store
Crazy Taxi5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Crysis 29.5466.8069.9957.2559.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Crysis Warhead0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Darkspore19.0966.8069.9947.7149.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Dive to the Titanic1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Dr. Robotniks Mean Bean Machine1.916.676.994.764.99US Store
Dr. Robotniks Mean Bean Machine0.496.676.996.18€4.49EU Store
Dragon Age II9.5466.8069.9957.2559.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Dragon Age: Origins38.1866.8069.9928.6229.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Dragon Age: Origins25.5066.8069.9941.30€29.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition19.0957.2559.9938.1739.99US Store
Dragon Age: Origins Awakening1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Ecco Jr.0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Ecco the Dolphin0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Ecco: The Tides of Time0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Emergency 201219.0938.1739.9919.0819.99US Store
Empire: Total War9.5438.1739.9928.6229.99US StoreSega
Eternal Champions0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
F.E.A.R.2: Project Origin23.8642.9444.9919.0819.99US Store
F.E.A.R.2: Project Origin15.4142.9444.9927.53€19.99EU Store
F1 201019.0557.2259.9538.1739.99US StoreNamco
F1 20109.0457.2259.9548.18€34.99EU StoreNamco
Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition19.0947.7149.9928.6229.99US StoreBethesda Softworks
Fallout 3: Game of the Year Edition6.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU StoreBethesda Softworks
Fallout: New Vegas38.1485.8589.9547.7149.99US StoreBethesda Softworks
Fallout: New Vegas17.0185.8589.9568.84€49.99EU StoreBethesda Softworks
Farming Simulator 20111.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Fatal Labyrinth0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Flora's Fruit Farm0.4411.4411.9911.00€7.99EU Store
Football Manager 201147.7285.8989.9938.1739.99US StoreSega
Football Manager 201117.0585.8989.9968.84€49.99EU StoreSega
Frontlines: Fuel of War0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreTHQ
Gain Ground0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Galaxy Force II0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Golden Axe0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Golden Axe II0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Grand Ages: Rome9.5419.0819.999.539.99US Store
Grand Ages: Rome5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Grand Theft Auto IV9.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US StoreRockstar
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreRockstar
Guild Wars Factions7.9828.6229.9920.64€14.99EU Store
Guild Wars Nightfall7.9828.6229.9920.64€14.99EU Store
Guild Wars: Eye of the North7.9828.6229.9920.64€14.99EU Store
Gumboy Tournament0.112.852.992.74€1.99EU Store
Gunstar Heroes0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Haunted House2.5719.0819.9916.51€11.99EU StoreAtari
Heroes Over Europe9.5438.1739.9928.6229.99US StoreAtari
Heroes Over Europe17.5338.1739.9920.64€14.99EU StoreAtari
Homefront28.6376.3479.9947.7149.99US StoreTHQ
Homefront7.5176.3479.9968.84€49.99EU StoreTHQ
Hunted: The Demons Forge38.1885.8989.9947.7149.99US StoreBethesda Softworks
Hunted: The Demons Forge17.0585.8989.9968.84€49.99EU StoreBethesda Softworks
Hunting Unlimited 20082.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreValuSoft
Insecticide Part 10.654.764.994.12€2.99EU Store
James Bond: Blood Stone47.7285.8989.9938.1739.99US Store
James Bond: Blood Stone17.0585.8989.9968.84€49.99EU Store
James Camerons Avatar: The Game28.6347.7149.9919.0819.99US StoreUbisoft
James Camerons Avatar: The Game6.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU StoreUbisoft
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU Store
King's Bounty: The Legend0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreAtari
Landstalker: The Treasures of King Nole0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
LEGO Batman9.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US Store
LEGO Batman1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Lego Harry Potter13.3641.9843.9928.6229.99US Store
Lego Harry Potter0.6941.9843.9941.30€29.99EU Store
Light Crusader0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Lineage2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
Mafia II47.7276.3479.9928.6229.99US Store2K Games
Mafia II21.2876.3479.9955.07€39.99EU Store2K Games
Mafia II: Digital Deluxe Edition47.7285.8989.9938.1739.99US Store
Mafia II: Digital Deluxe Edition17.0585.8989.9968.84€49.99EU Store
Mass Effect 219.0938.1739.9919.0819.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Mass Effect 210.6438.1739.9927.53€19.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Mass Effect 2 Digital Deluxe Edition38.1876.3479.9938.1739.99US Store
Mass Effect 2 Digital Deluxe Edition35.0576.3479.9941.30€29.99EU Store
Massive Assault: Phantom Renaissance1.1919.0819.9917.89€12.99EU Store
Medal of Honor38.1866.8069.9928.6229.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Medal of Honor25.5066.8069.9941.30€29.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Medieval II: Total War4.7714.3114.999.539.99US StoreSega
Medieval II: Total War0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreSega
Medieval II: Total War Kingdoms4.779.539.994.764.99US Store
Medieval II: Total War Kingdoms2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
Metro 20339.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US StoreTHQ
Metro 20331.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreTHQ
Midnight Outlaw: 6 Hours to SunUp2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
Mirror's Edge5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Mission Runway2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
Monster Jam5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Napoleon: Total War Imperial Edition19.0947.7149.9928.6229.99US Store
Napoleon: Total War Imperial Edition6.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU Store
NBA 2K1128.6347.7149.9919.0819.99US Store2K Sports
NBA 2K116.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU Store2K Sports
Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit19.0947.7149.9928.6229.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Need for Speed: Shift9.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Need for Speed: Shift1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Prison Tycoon 3: Lockdown2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreValuSoft
Prototype1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreActivision
Quantum of Solace28.6347.7149.9919.0819.99US Store
Quantum of Solace27.0747.7149.9920.64€14.99EU Store
Red Faction2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreTHQ
Red Faction Guerrilla5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU StoreTHQ
Red Faction II2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreTHQ
Red Faction: Armageddon19.0966.8069.9947.7149.99US StoreTHQ
Ride Carnival Tycoon2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreValuSoft
Rome: Total War - Alexander4.779.539.994.764.99US StoreSega of America, Inc.
Rome: Total War - Alexander2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU StoreSega of America, Inc.
Rome: Total War - Gold4.7714.3114.999.539.99US Store
Rome: Total War - Gold0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Roogoo0.654.764.994.12€2.99EU Store
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreTHQ
Saints Row 20.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreTHQ
Section 88.0819.0819.9911.00€7.99EU StoreAtari
SEGA Bass Fishing10.5019.0819.998.588.99US StoreSega of America, Inc.
SEGA Bass Fishing5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU StoreSega of America, Inc.
Shadow Dancer0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Shift 2 Unleashed28.6376.3479.9947.7149.99US StoreElectronic Arts
Shift 2 Unleashed7.5176.3479.9968.84€49.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
Shining Force0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Shining Force II0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Shining in the Darkness0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Shinobi III: Return of the Ninja Master0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Sid Meier's Civilization V28.6376.3479.9947.7149.99US Store
Sid Meier's Civilization V7.5176.3479.9968.84€49.99EU Store
SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Soldier of Fortune: Payback33.4052.4854.9919.0819.99US StoreActivision
Soldier of Fortune: Payback38.7352.4854.9913.76€9.99EU StoreActivision
Sonic SEGA All-Stars Racing9.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US Store
Sonic SEGA All-Stars Racing1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Sonic Spinball1.916.676.994.764.99US Store
Sonic Spinball0.496.676.996.18€4.49EU Store
Space Channel 5: Part 210.5019.0819.998.588.99US Store
Space Channel 5: Part 25.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Space Harrier II0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Space Siege0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreSega
SPORE19.0938.1739.9919.0819.99US StoreElectronic Arts
SPORE Creepy Cute Parts Pack5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
SPORE Galactic Adventures1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Sprint Cars Road to Knoxville2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
STCC - The Game5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Streets of Rage0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Streets of Rage 20.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Super Thunder Blade0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Sword of Vermilion0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Terminator Salvation23.8642.9444.9919.0819.99US StoreWarner Brothers Interactive Entertainment
Terminator Salvation15.4142.9444.9927.53€19.99EU StoreWarner Brothers Interactive Entertainment
The Club0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreSega of America, Inc.
The Last Remnant9.5447.7149.9938.1739.99US StoreSquare Enix USA
The Last Remnant6.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU StoreSquare Enix USA
The Search for Amelia Earhart5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
The Sims 338.1876.3479.9938.1739.99US StoreElectronic Arts
The Sims 314.3976.3479.9961.95€44.99EU StoreElectronic Arts
The Whispered World1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU Store
Titan Quest0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreTHQ
Titan Quest - Immortal Throne0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU StoreTHQ
Tom Clancy's EndWar9.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US StoreUbisoft
Tom Clancy's EndWar1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreUbisoft
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 25.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X9.5428.6229.9919.0819.99US StoreUbisoft
Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreUbisoft
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3 Gold2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Store
Tomb Raider: Underworld1.1028.6229.9927.53€19.99EU StoreEidos
Total War: SHOGUN 238.1885.8989.9947.7149.99US Store
Total War: SHOGUN 217.0585.8989.9968.84€49.99EU Store
Trainz Simulator 2010: Engineers Edition4.7742.9444.9938.1739.99US Store
Universe at War: Earth Assault5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU StoreSega of America, Inc.
Vancouver 2010 - The Official Video Game of the Olympic Winter Games23.8647.7149.9923.8524.99US Store
Vancouver 2010 - The Official Video Game of the Olympic Winter Games6.4147.7149.9941.30€29.99EU Store
Vectorman0.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Velvet Assassin2.669.539.996.87€4.99EU Storedtp entertainment
Virtua Fighter 20.483.333.492.852.99US Store
Wanted: Weapons of Fate23.8642.9444.9919.0819.99US StoreWarner Brothers Interactive Entertainment
Wanted: Weapons of Fate15.4142.9444.9927.53€19.99EU StoreWarner Brothers Interactive Entertainment
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War - Dark Crusade4.6814.3114.999.63€6.99EU StoreTHQ
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War - Gold Edition0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU Store
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War - Soulstorm4.6814.3114.999.63€6.99EU Store
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War II4.7723.8524.9919.0819.99US StoreTHQ
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War II Chaos Rising19.0938.1739.9919.0819.99US StoreTHQ
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War II Chaos Rising10.6438.1739.9927.53€19.99EU StoreTHQ
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War II: Retribution28.6357.2559.9928.6229.99US Store
Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War II: Retribution15.9657.2559.9941.30€29.99EU Store
Wheelman5.3219.0819.9913.76€9.99EU StoreUbisoft
Wolfenstein3.7638.1739.9934.41€24.99EU StoreActivision
World of Zoo0.5514.3114.9913.76€9.99EU Store



Latest Comments
Hogfather
Posted 11:39am 15/4/11
F*** yes, good show AGN.
Enska
Posted 11:42am 15/4/11
I usually go by this site also. http://www.steamprices.com/au

Edit* - The yellow text needs to go, it hurts my eyes :(
Eorl
Posted 11:44am 15/4/11
Should implement ozgameshop as well, because that's pretty much the go to if things are to expensive now a days. I do remember seeing a website that compared prices etc for steam, can't remember what it was called. Looks interesting though, and definitely needed to show the majority of gamers that there are cheaper alternatives.
greazy
Posted 11:47am 15/4/11
Answer: Piracy.
deadlyf
Posted 11:52am 15/4/11
Edit* - The yellow text needs to go, it hurts my eyes :(

At first I was, "what yellow text?" and then I was, "Ohhh".
teq
Posted 11:52am 15/4/11
Jolly good old chap
bepatient
Posted 11:53am 15/4/11
Awesome idea guys.

Really quick suggestion (and it looks easy to implement with what you currently have) is to use Jquery Tablesorter (or similar) so that we can reorder it. Then it would be boss.
Python
Posted 11:56am 15/4/11
The more people know about this the better!
Raider
Posted 11:58am 15/4/11
yer it's fkn bulls*** at that mark up that australia has
Eorl
Posted 12:15pm 15/4/11
Answer: Piracy.

That has been the biggest answer for gamers to basically stick it to the man. I know it's morally wrong and all, but then again, the publishers are doing it to themselves when they are purposefully marking prices up just because we're over here on an awesome island.
TiT
Posted 12:15pm 15/4/11
Thanks for the site Enska thats awesome!!!
TicMan
Posted 12:16pm 15/4/11
Ouchies, change the yellow! Also chiming in with a +1 to http://www.directgamekeys.com/ .. have bought a bunch of games from these guys (including Steam CD keys) without any problem.
Bikkies
Posted 12:22pm 15/4/11
This is why Ausgamers is win. Thanks Trog and team.
Tanaka Khan
Posted 12:29pm 15/4/11
Nice work trog and team, but yea the yellow needs to go
ravn0s
Posted 12:37pm 15/4/11
just do a games version of booko.com.au
crazymorton
Posted 01:28pm 15/4/11
adding my vote to "get rid of yellow" that's painful.

great idea....will the final cut be sortable, search enabled?

Kf
Posted 01:40pm 15/4/11
Well done Ausgamers.... I started a group against this a few months or even a year + ago... its here:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/aausp

I think we peaked at about 165 members at one stage....
dranged
Posted 01:40pm 15/4/11
Nicely done AGN! A bit of price transparency certainly wouldn't go astray.
breno
Posted 01:51pm 15/4/11
Answer: Piracy.

That has been the biggest answer for gamers to basically stick it to the man. I know it's morally wrong and all, but then again, the publishers are doing it to themselves when they are purposefully marking prices up just because we're over here on an awesome island.

Has it occured to you guys that piracy is part of the reason why te price of games has sky rocketed?
Sugar
Posted 01:58pm 15/4/11
Good work AGN! also agree on yellow text = bad!
Cowie
Posted 02:00pm 15/4/11
brink price rise :(
Dan
Posted 02:06pm 15/4/11
Has it occured to you guys that piracy is part of the reason why te price of games has sky rocketed?
Er, the price hasn't skyrocketed...

Even back in the SNES days, there were games that occasionally retailed over AUD$100 .

The issue being discussed here is that despite the strong Australian dollar relative to the US, many games still retail for AUD$89 (currently ~USD$93), when they're almost always USD$49 in the USA.

The fact is that games cost more in Australia not because of any actual production or distribution factor, but because the people publishing them here know that Australian gamers will pay more. As long as people are buying them for that price, they'll keep selling them. Just like any other good or service in this country.
Bah
Posted 02:06pm 15/4/11
Piracy is the reason things like ozgameshop can be so cheap, publishers make games cheaper for asian markets because otherwise everyone would pirate them, and then someone buys those games in bulk and sell them here.
Tollaz0r!
Posted 02:07pm 15/4/11
O but it is the import taxes, and shipment, and cost of Internets, and all those extra CEO's, THINK ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN!

I tell everyone I know to not buy games in Australia unless the price is at parity with the rest of the world. I haven't bought a game from the Australian Steam store or from a brick'n'mortar store for at least 2 years.

It is absolute bollocks.

Yellow must die.
greazy
Posted 02:14pm 15/4/11
That has been the biggest answer for gamers to basically stick it to the man. I know it's morally wrong and all, but then again, the publishers are doing it to themselves when they are purposefully marking prices up just because we're over here on an awesome island.
I was being sarcastic. If you want to stick it to the man than either don't buy his product or if you really want it, want to support the man but not his silly side then you should import (and then email the publisher to inform them of their discrimination).
trog
Posted 02:23pm 15/4/11
Yeh not sure what i was thinking with yellow. Changed it to gold so now it is readable.
Awesome idea guys. Really quick suggestion (and it looks easy to implement with what you currently have) is to use Jquery Tablesorter (or similar) so that we can reorder it. Then it would be boss.
The "live" version that I'm doing actually has a tablesort in it that is usable - I couldn't get it in this "preview" because it requires a Javascript library update and I wasn't able to do that today and cbf waiting. But yeh, it's in there and if/when we release the live version you'll be able to sort by all those fields.
shrapse
Posted 02:23pm 15/4/11
This idea won me a DS! Good show!
Mordecai
Posted 02:26pm 15/4/11
Piracy is the reason things like ozgameshop can be so cheap, publishers make games cheaper for asian markets because otherwise everyone would pirate them, and then someone buys those games in bulk and sell them here.

ozgameshop is English not Asian. They get the games from the publishers over in England not Asia. ozgameshop is the aussie version of 365gameshop.co.uk
Raven
Posted 02:30pm 15/4/11
Er, the price hasn't skyrocketed...

Even back in the SNES days, there were games that occasionally retailed over AUD$100 .

It's gone up, but I agree, it certainly hasn't skyrocketed.
Some examples I remember:
PC: Lemmings, Wing Commander 1, this is 1990 - we're talking $55. I think even Warcraft 2 was $55, circa 1992. I don't really know where the turning point was to be honest, but I remember Warcraft 3 being $70. Quake 3 was $70 or 80 wasn't it, we're talking 1999 there. Soldier of Fortune, pretty sure that was $70. WoW, 2003-2004, launched at $80, and a then unheard of $15/month subscription fee.

Most GameBoy games started out at ~40 in the early days, more wlel known ones were 50. Zelda: Links Awakening was $60. Mario/Mario Land 2 was $50.

SNES: Most were $80. Street Fighter 2 (1994?) was $90. Super Street Fighter hit that ellusive $100 mark. I think it might have even been $110, or maybe that was just on Master System. Mortal Kombat II was certainly a $100 game. DKC was I can't actually remember.

N64, it was pretty much $100 for launch titles. Pilotwings, Mario 64, Waverace, the three launch titles I got, all $100 each. Zelda OOT was $100. We're talking 1996 here.

Gamecube: Waverace Bluestorm: $90. This is when PS2 and XBox started getting more expensive than GCN. GCN titles were typically $80-90, when XBox titles were 100.

We then got another hit with the 360 and PS3, where the 'normal' price for those consoles rose to $110, $120 for premium titles.

Somewhere over time, the average price of DS games rose from $60 to 70. I never bought a DS until the 3DS for this reason, I thought the games were getting too expensive for what you were getting.

Man, all this crap off the top of my head. No wonder it's such an easy argument to dismiss.
DM
Posted 02:32pm 15/4/11
Good idea but I have no clue how to order things from the US store so it's pointless for me. I see all these good deals I can't buy.
Sc00bs
Posted 02:33pm 15/4/11
this is also back in the days when they had catridges that are alot more expensive to mass produce than either dvds or digital
trog
Posted 02:35pm 15/4/11
Good idea but I have no clue how to order things from the US store so it's pointless for me. I see all these good deals I can't buy.
The most important thing, I think, is to NOT BUY THEM. You have to vote with your feet.
greazy
Posted 02:37pm 15/4/11
You mean wallet.
Kf
Posted 02:44pm 15/4/11
Exactly as trog says.... I was really eager to get SHIFT2 on Steam until I saw the BS price for Aussies... I did not buy it and wont buy it until the price is on special for $50 or less... and if that doesnt happen.... they wont get my $... and piracy gets stronger.
trog
Posted 02:47pm 15/4/11
You mean wallet.
uh.. Yeh. I mean wallet. Feet is a metaphor for wallet.
Trauma
Posted 03:16pm 15/4/11
DM just import via UK stores, I got my Shogun 2 LE from ozgameshop yesterday for $38 when it's $90 on steam.

Trog, do you guys plan on adding links to the prices used in this list? Oh and echoing the yellow being bad on the white background.
Eorl
Posted 03:23pm 15/4/11
DM, easy as ozgameshop.com. Free shipping to!
Reverend Evil
Posted 03:26pm 15/4/11
Looks good trog. Although how about going one more step and changing the gold to something like green or purple?

8-)
DM
Posted 03:27pm 15/4/11
I'll have to bookmark that ozgameshop. Quite a few games im interesting in buying in the next few months.
copuis
Posted 04:20pm 15/4/11
nicely done
Cookie
Posted 04:36pm 15/4/11
i brought magicka off steam with the dlc for $5 yesterday, and then later on i saw the game with no dlc in EB for $30... so I win :)
RottenRobot
Posted 04:54pm 15/4/11
Just go to www.metacritic.com and register so that you can give a user review score for games.
Next time a publisher price gouges us Aussies on a game through steam, give that game a BIG FAT ZERO on metacritic. Low review scores have a very real affect on sales. If enough Aussies do this it will cost them money in lost sales and maybe they will eventually realise that trying to rip people off is not good for business.
Door
Posted 05:03pm 15/4/11
Next time a publisher price gouges us Aussies on a game through steam, give that game a BIG FAT ZERO on metacritic. Low review scores have a very real affect on sales. If enough Aussies do this it will cost them money in lost sales and maybe they will eventually realise that trying to rip people off is not good for business.


That is by far the worst idea I've seen on QGL today.
RottenRobot
Posted 05:17pm 15/4/11
Shift 2 Unleashed costs Americans $50 USD on steam, but Australians pay $90 USD for the same digital download. It is infuriating. Guess what score I gave that game. Imagine what the average user review score would be if everyone on this forum did the same thing as me. In my opinion, price is a valid review factor, and if that factor is way out of sink with what is acceptable to gamers then we should make it known through the public review process. If publishers turn a deaf ear, then they will lose money!
RottenRobot
Posted 05:50pm 15/4/11
Going to great lengths to purchase at a decent price, such as from the UK still rewards the publisher. They still get paid for the game, and the greed that fuels price gouging is not counteracted in any way. How will continuing to reward these companies change the situation? The only way to change the behaviour of a greedy corporation is to hit them where it hurts. They will not continue to price gouge if it kills the bottom line. I agree that piracy is wrong. It is stealing. That is not the right way. I also think that complaining in a forum will not have any real affect on the people who make the decisions in such companies. Look at the way they ignore any questions about this practice. They believe that us gamers are powerless to actually do anything about it.
Reverend Evil
Posted 06:15pm 15/4/11
Just thought of another idea. It's prolly dumb but hear me out.

Green = $10 - $19 difference
Blue = $20 - $29 difference
Purple = $30 -$50 or more

Just a thought.
Reverend Evil
Posted 06:16pm 15/4/11
edit

disregard this post
RottenRobot
Posted 06:15pm 15/4/11
Say what you think in a place where your words will be taken notice of and have an effect.
Express your opinion in a review. We are not powerless!
Midda
Posted 06:25pm 15/4/11
This Greasemonkey script automatically shows all region prices on the Steam store when you view a game.

http://steamunpowered.eu/comparison-script-steam-unpowered-edition/
E.T.
Posted 06:46pm 15/4/11
I wonder if the software houses that have offices here in Oz would be accountable to Dept of Fair Trading for price gouging?
They should be and so therefore, shouldn't this be referred to the DFT? Perhaps we should create a group complaint or something.

Either way, great step in the right direction guys.
Dan
Posted 07:29pm 15/4/11
Why would it not be considered fair trading? They are charging the price that the market is willing to pay for their product. The regional restriction may be entirely artificial and unethical, but it's not illegal (though nor is circumvention of it).

The only thing that is going to change that is if they come to realise that people are no longer willing to pay that extra price or that if they lower the price, enough extra people will buy locally to make up the difference.

At present, you'd be hard-pressed to convince an Australian publisher that they could sell twice as many copies if they halved the price and that's because Australians are just too comfortable paying the inflated prices that they set.

The only way it's going to move is through more public awareness of the disparity and of the (legal) alternatives.

Also, that metacritic idea is terrible. All you are doing is being disingenuous for scoring a game that you haven't played. It's people like that, that make user-ratings such a completely useless metric. Some publishers pay attention to metacritic's approved critic ratings, but there is no way that anyone in publishing worth their paycheck pays any mind to the user score.
RottenRobot
Posted 07:28pm 15/4/11
Good idea E.T.
But they have legitimate excuses for charging more for the physical product sold in Australia through retail outlets. Buying through steam is an overseas transaction and therefore beyond the jurisdiction of the Dept of Fair Trading.
crazymorton
Posted 07:29pm 15/4/11
is price gouging actually an offence, in AU, or just a general euphemism for the practice of which a seller prices goods or commodities much higher than is considered reasonable or fair*. *from here

RottenRobot
Posted 07:49pm 15/4/11
There was a 60 minutes report about a chinese tour operator who deliberately ripped off his clients by taking them to his special selection of shops while touring in Australia. They were charged hugh mark ups over the ordinary prices available in other shops. I think the Dept of Fair Trading did get involved.
Eldoran
Posted 07:57pm 15/4/11
Nice work guys
Twisted
Posted 07:58pm 15/4/11
Gold is pretty hard to read. Gives me eye strain :)
rrrocket
Posted 08:09pm 15/4/11
Good stuff Trog. SIck of being raped by these greedy publishers.

Looking forward to hearing how this goes.
E.T.
Posted 08:39pm 15/4/11
Good idea E.T.
But they have legitimate excuses for charging more for the physical product sold in Australia through retail outlets. Buying through steam is an overseas transaction and therefore beyond the jurisdiction of the Dept of Fair Trading.


What I'm talking about is only for downloaded content. Ie, via steam which this thread is about. For this there is NO legitimate excuse to charge us more.

The regional restriction may be entirely artificial and unethical, but it's not illegal (though nor is circumvention of it).

How do you know this? Are you a lawyer? Has it already been in court?

I believe that a breach of the law is being performed by virtue of the fact that Australian consumers are forced to purchase via the Australian online store. Dan, this is the key to the argument. We are forced to buy only from the Australian store. Its not a choice as you put it. We have no choice but to buy in the way they have trapped us into. A few of us know how to setup a VPN and work around their bull s***, but this is not the point.

@ Rottenrobot
If a product is purchased in Australia, online or not, the sale is protected under Fair Trading law. Remember, you are buying (forced to buy) from the Australian store. It is not being purchased from overseas. I think this argument has merit. Its up to the lawyers at the DFT to consider if its one worth pursuing.
E.T.
Posted 08:47pm 15/4/11
Another line of thought from the legal front.
I wonder if this may even be a breach of the Free Trade agreement between AU and the US.!? What does that cover? I dont know of course, just an idea.
ctd
Posted 09:01pm 15/4/11

Good idea but I have no clue how to order things from the US store so it's pointless for me. I see all these good deals I can't buy.

Last time I used the VPN trick it still worked. Basically you load up a free VPN then load up steam and purchase the game. Exit VPN and download the game normally. Done.

Haven't done it in a while cause I live in the UK now so don't have to worry about it for the next few years :P
Sommescum
Posted 09:21pm 15/4/11
Brilliant. Thank you AG

P.S. The information presented here is of such great quality, the colour of the font raping my eyes matters little to me. With a bit of creative 'selecting' skills the info is easily defined.
Dan
Posted 08:40am 16/4/11
If a product is purchased in Australia, online or not, the sale is protected under Fair Trading law. Remember, you are buying (forced to buy) from the Australian store. It is not being purchased from overseas. I think this argument has merit. Its up to the lawyers at the DFT to consider if its one worth pursuing.
But you aren't. There is no Australian Steam store. Only a separate set of prices that are offered to people with an Australian IP address and an Australian credit card. The store is still hosted in the US, by a US company and you are charged in US dollars.
Tanaka Khan
Posted 12:07pm 16/4/11
Well I just grabbed Civ 5 and all the add on packs for $66.55, but your site doesn't have one of the best games ever on it so I have no idea if I got a good deal or not.
Mordecai
Posted 12:28pm 16/4/11
If a product is purchased in Australia, online or not, the sale is protected under Fair Trading law. Remember, you are buying (forced to buy) from the Australian store. It is not being purchased from overseas. I think this argument has merit. Its up to the lawyers at the DFT to consider if its one worth pursuing.


But you aren't. There is no Australian Steam store. Only a separate set of prices that are offered to people with an Australian IP address and an Australian credit card. The store is still hosted in the US, by a US company and you are charged in US dollars.

Maybe we need to talk to the US Federal Trade Commission about the differential pricing from an American company.
RottenRobot
Posted 06:00pm 16/4/11
Mordecai
The differential pricing is the work of several large American game publishers, not valve/steam.
Having said that, it does seem like a bit of a cop-out by steam to say that they can't set their own prices. If that is really the case, then the publishers must have steam over a barrel.

Surely avoiding buying from offending publishers and giving them appropriately bad reviews that highlight the poor value that their games represent would have some effect if it was done by enough people.

In addition, why not make it a point to buy from those who do the right thing and to consider value and fairness when reviewing their games. For example; Codemasters are offering 'Operation Flashpoint Red River' in the UK, USA, and Australia for $45 USD. The fair asking price and the absence of price gouging will quite rightly have a strong influence on what type of review I give it on metacritic when it is released. A similar good example is 'Test Drive Unlimited 2' from Atari. It is $40 USD in the UK, USA, and Australia and it is a good game. I rewarded Atari by buying TDU2 and I wrote a good review that took into consideration the fair asking price and absence of price gouging.
RottenRobot
Posted 06:38pm 16/4/11
Dan

I understand that you view the metacritic idea as disingenuous for scoring a game that I haven't played.
However, I am not suggesting that reviewers tell lies. I reviewed Shift 2 Unleashed purely on price, and the review made that crystal clear. I do not need to test the product because I am comparing it to itself. $50 USD for American customers vs $90 for Australian customers for the same product. That is a rip off, pure and simple. I do not need to test or buy the game to see that the publisher is trying to price gouge Australian gamers for an additional 80%, over the normal asking price for that item. Most product reviews place importance on the price such as when comparing cars. The price of a corolla compared to a mazda 3 would not be a good example, because reviewing a price gouged car is when you compare it to itself. A mazda 3 that normally costs $25000 compared to the exact same car, from the same shop for $45000. Any motoring journalist could quite correctly write in any publication that the $45000 car (the same car) is a rip-off and give it a low score without driving it. That would not be disingenuous, would it?
RottenRobot
Posted 06:42pm 16/4/11
As for anyone who thinks metacritic scores have no effect, read this:

http://www.next-gen.biz/features/is-metacritic-damaging-games-industry
RottenRobot
Posted 06:53pm 16/4/11
As for using lawyers, I'm sure that the publisher's massive financial clout to support any form of legal action against them would dwarf the resources available to any letigious gamer or gamers alliance. That is exactly the road that they would like people to take, because they know they would win. However, they can't stop people from reviewing their games. One thing they hate more than piracy is bad reviews, because it affects sales and that beloved bottom line. If you want price gouging to stop, you know what to do!
deadlyf
Posted 07:23pm 16/4/11
Your car analogy is stupid, you are comparing stores, not products. No journalist would give a bad review on a car because a single store sold it for more while another store sold it for less, they'd simply tell you not to buy from that store.

Doing stupid things like giving a game a negative review for price devalues the worth of the user score even more than what little weight it already holds. Dragon Age 2 got a hugely negative metacritic score in the user section due to the fact that it cost $10 more for Americans than other PC games and it still sold really well. It probably had some affect on sales for sure, but that was a country with a gaming population many times our own reacting and it was still a successful title. The $10 extra they charged may have even made up for the small loss in sales from people who put weight behind the user scores on metacritic. If people can't rely on something to be accurate then they will stop using it as an indicator.
RottenRobot
Posted 07:22am 17/4/11
deadlyf

This discussion is about digital downloads purchased from steam. To say that we can shop elsewhere is irrelevant. Countries such as ours are systimatically price gouged for no legitimate reason. It is not steam that sets the prices. It is the publishers. As paying customers, I and all Australians have the right to be treated with respect.

The point that you made about Dragon Age 2 implies that price is irrelevant and that users who take that factor into consideration in a review actually devalue the user review itself. If that were true, then most most proffessioal reviews of other products such as televisions and cars must all be worthless. I don't think so!
Tollaz0r!
Posted 07:40am 17/4/11
I fully support the factoring in of price gauging into the review scores of games.

Something along the lines of -1 point for every 15% difference? So those horribly overpriced for no reason games in the 50% area would get -3 points. So a game scoring a healthy 9 but gauging the crap out of Australians would only receive a less then attractive 6. a 50% gouge it totally and utterly unacceptable and should certainly be factored in. The same game with a 10% difference would still get the 9. 10% I think is acceptable to pay for any increases in cost due to releasing the product in Australia.

Be sure to highlight the reason for the removal of points.

EDIT: The ONLY way I will retract my thoughts and pay for games in Australia is if several publishers show us exactly why they are putting premiums on games here. If they can justify it based on increased costs to them, so that the extra 30% or so they are charging us gives them no extra profit then it would be acceptable, however I cannot fathom any reasons for that much of a premium, particularly for a digital product.

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 07:40:10 17/Apr/11
ctd
Posted 07:39am 17/4/11
it does seem like a bit of a cop-out by steam to say that they can't set their own prices

Basically Valve takes a % of every sale on steam. They would be silly to not set the publishers price. Publisher then removes titles from steam... Valve doesn't make the monies.

Just do all you can to avoid paying the mark up. Fairly good chance nothing will change with the pricing but at least you are saving money.
RottenRobot
Posted 07:42am 17/4/11
The fact that American gamers created a "hugely negative metacritic score in the user section due to the fact that it cost $10 more for Americans" and that "it probably had some affect on sales for sure" is not something that price gouging publishers want to see happening.

The message that these gamers send publishers is that they will lose money if they price gouge.
That is the only kind of message that will change the behaviour of greedy corporations.

So if Aussie gamers want things to change for them, maybe they should take notice of what American gamers do when they get ripped off.
eski
Posted 10:13am 17/4/11
The metacritic idea is stupid. It punishes the developers for something they have no control over.

Will you remember to go back and change your review score when the prices drop?
kettels
Posted 10:20am 17/4/11
Great idea, although i always just use ?cc=us. It would be good to see also when you go on the page maybe some advertising/showing up front page for games that are the same price (only on the pricing page) maybe even just a green outline and a red outline. E.g having Portal 2 because its the same and cheap and games like brink that are $90 in a shame area or something.
deadlyf
Posted 10:42am 17/4/11
The point that you made about Dragon Age 2 implies that price is irrelevant and that users who take that factor into consideration in a review actually devalue the user review itself. If that were true, then most most proffessioal reviews of other products such as televisions and cars must all be worthless. I don't think so!

Holy s***, when they factor in price they base it on the RRP and compare it against other completely different products! You are comparing the exact same product that can be found for different prices at different f*****g stores. EBs sell a game for $90 and JB sell the same game for $70, I guess we had better give the game a negative review guys!

Here is a hot tip, you don't have to buy from Steam, no one is forcing you to.
Dan
Posted 11:11am 17/4/11
As for anyone who thinks metacritic scores have no effect, read this:

http://www.next-gen.biz/features/is-metacritic-damaging-games-industry
That doesn't support your argument at all. That discussion is purely about the recognised critic aggregate. Again, no publisher worth their paycheck is paying any mind to the user-score because it is a worthless metric for the exact reasons that you are trying to promote.
Enska
Posted 11:18am 17/4/11
Giving bad reviews based on the price of the game? fail.
No wonder I don't bother with s***** sites like meta critic.
btw Shift 2 was a great game and a massive improvement over the first, regardless of price, you f*****g douche Rotten Robot

Edit* - Obviously factoring the price in to the review is fine, but actually scoring just on the price? please.
RottenRobot
Posted 12:47pm 17/4/11
I wonder if the people who are a little bit upset by negative reviews have a vested interest.
It sounds like you are far more interested in maintaining the status quo than helping Aussie gamers.
If user reviews don't matter, then why are you so concerned?
Why are you desperate to convince people that it won't work?
The abusive language is a givaway.
If anyone is disingenuous, it's you.
Kf
Posted 07:20pm 18/4/11
Can you please put a link to this article or this 'section' of your website on the main page?

So that people can see it, and come back to it.... I had to find it thru the news section...
trog
Posted 09:06pm 18/4/11
Can you please put a link to this article or this 'section' of your website on the main page?
It's under News menu then Features!
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